Pre-Grant Publication Number: 20100332337
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Sang Han (about 2 years ago)
Although your method could guarantee security, people who are used to to the process of log-in system may not trust this, feeling others can use their identity to purchase items. Also, you don't really have to log-in every time when you use Amazon because your web browser will remember your account. Do you think your method is simpler than Amazon's one-click purchase?
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MoonSoo Choi (about 2 years ago)
I have two arguments to two specific parts of the application.

First, it is of an extremely high expectation for myriads of comments on news websites/blogs to be read. And that's why YouTube developed the system of highlighting the comments that gained the most attention and "likes" on top of the web page.

Second, even though the fingerprinting system may appear exclusive at first, but it is just addition of fingerprinting system to an already existent one-click payment system. Additionally, generally speaking, the mergence of two common components can be quite exclusively innovative, but this mergence of abovementioned two components does not seem so appealing.
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Mary Wu (about 2 years ago)
There seems to be a misconception among reviewers here that the fingerprinting refers to the biometric type. I think, actually, that the fingerprinting in this patent means device fingerprinting, which is the settings collected on hardware/software used to identify them (i.e. so your computer or browser won't be mistaken as belonging to that of someone else). Please correct me if I'm wrong, though.
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Peter Lee (about 2 years ago)
I find this application having many parts in common with the finger print payment application on this site.
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Peter Lee (about 2 years ago)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=468480
Amazon already has a one-click ordering system.
This is not universal but the idea of one-click is already in use.
Doug Fung (about 2 years ago)
I think the takeaway from the patent is the security involved in the client system as opposed to simply where the purchase/sale is made. But yes, I agree most, if not all, of these techniques are already available.
Sang Han (about 2 years ago)
No, I think you are not getting the point. The applicant is trying to combine device fingerprinting and one-click system, so the users don't have to bother logging in and make the purchase quickly with ensured security. I think this is a great idea, but I think this very quick process make people doubt the system and reluctant to use it.
Raymond Huynh (about 2 years ago)
I agree. I think the unique part of this invention is that it fingerprints a device so that the one click system works securely for one's personal computer.
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Radhika Rawat (about 2 years ago)
After seeing the prior art submitted, it seems like the most novel concept here is the idea of passivity.
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Brian Fong (about 2 years ago)
This is too obvious. Nothing about it makes it that special to get a patent.
Christina Segro (about 2 years ago)
Brian,
We appreciate your comment that it is too obvious, but in order to provide the examiner with more precise information, could you please provide a more specific comment? Or even site some possible examples that would suggest that a person having ordinary skill in the art would find this to be obvious? It would be so helpful! Thanks
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Christina Segro (about 2 years ago)
Does anyone here have any thoughts about this app Systems and methods to process transactions based on social networking #20100306099? It has to do with using SMS, transactions and social net working sites.
Mary Wu (about 2 years ago)
Although both systems use third party verification, the social networking one compares two mobile numbers (one number for confirmation of payment and another number for approval of payment) and social network identities. The universal one-click payment does not authenticate with phone numbers and aims to serve as a payment method for any online transaction, while the social networking patent seems to focus on mobile payment.
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Noah Stern (about 2 years ago)
The invention in this patent looks it like it could effectively streamline online commerce. Currently, programs like roboform store multiple online identities to make it easier to go from one site to another and quickly insert the information required. This invention would remove the need for a "work around" and make it possible for users to use one interface to conduct business with many different sites.
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Deepti Rajendran (about 2 years ago)
I also agree that this invention does not fall into the unique and non-obvious category.

However, going back a few comments, to what MoonSoo Choi brought up. The security of an application like this is extremely important. Without proper security in protecting users' payment information, the system as a whole is not feasible.
Philip Jeng (about 2 years ago)
I don't think the invention is completely non-obvious. I do agree with security being very important for the payment system.
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Rolando Bermudez (about 2 years ago)
I agree with you Sammy,

Sam, I agree with your comment but I would like to discuss a different topic. On the claims or throughout the application, I do not see a real valuable use for the users, customers, or visitor. While it is true that paid comments will appear at the top of the comments more often with a particular distinctive appearance style on the page, how would this guarantee that the reader gets to see some of the most constructive, educated, related, or appropriate comments?

This invention is definitely not unique and non-obvious.
Eun Sol Cho (about 2 years ago)
I agree with your point as well. The idea seems new in a sense that the commenters are paying to get their comment recognized more often, but there is no value in this invention. The whole commenting system is to communicate your ideas, but if you are paying to get your idea more recognized, then it can transform to an advertisement instead.
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Sammy Lee (about 2 years ago)
This invention doesn't fall under unique or non-obvious. It seems like an add-on rather.
Vladimir Vakulenko (about 2 years ago)
i agree. this seems like ocmbining many fingerprint password management systems available already with a payment option.
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Mary Wu (about 2 years ago)
In terms of auctioning the bids for comment posting, would people realistically spend that much time for a comment spot worth at most a few dollars?

Besides that, there is the issue of security. If a payer uses his/her own computer to make a payment through the TPA, then this system may work. However, if a payer uses a public computer/device or a computer/device belonging to someone else, how does the TPA distinguish between payers? It would have helped if the patent applicant elaborated more on this.
Sang Han (about 2 years ago)
If it is too simple that people can make purchase with just one-click without even logging in, I don't think anyone would trust this. I personally wouldn't trust the system if I can make a purchase with one-click when I use my friend's computer. The process of logging-in is necessary to not only to ensure security but to make people trust the system. Making it quicker may make people reluctant to use it no matter how well it works.
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Mary Wu (about 2 years ago)
First, this invention does not seem to be non-obvious or unique. It can be constructed from existing technology, as indicated in the patent itself.

Also, the application of this technology has a few issues: For example, if the reader can pay a fee to make a comment stand out, then this distinction would be undermined if many readers did this. Secondly, this system of comment manipulation risks speech democracy -- basically, whoever pays has the loudest voice
Philip Jeng (about 2 years ago)
I can also see this highest paying - loudest voice issue occurring as well. Though paying users can have their payments at the top, I can imagine even the distinctions eventually blending in as just part of the website.
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MoonSoo Choi (over 2 years ago)
Because this is relatively a simple and quick system, safety and protection of the payees' personal and security information is extremely important - I wish that the application elaborated a little more about the security that can be guaranteed through this process.
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Yeen Tham (over 2 years ago)
Any thoughts on this reference? US 2008/0142589 A1 "One Touch Purchase Device and System"
http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en&lr=&vid=USPATAPP11610102&id=ZQ2rAAAAEBAJ&oi=fnd&dq=Online+purchase+Sale+transaction+Fingerprint+device&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q=Online%20purchase%20Sale%20transaction%20Fingerprint%20device&f=false

The patent describes solutions for a physical store but under the "Description of the Related Art" section, it describes that it suggests that such technology has been applied to online stores.
Haritha Tapa (about 2 years ago)
Seems like the "thumbprint" biometric system that the patent in the link above is the same payment system that this patent is describing.
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BIll Anderson (over 2 years ago)
This patent app bases its uniqueness on the "device fingerprint", which as described only attempts to identify a unique computing device. The method descibed is problematic at best and is easily defeated. Further this method cannot under any circumstance positively identify the human being using the computing device. Without a positive identifification of the user, there is nothing unique or non-obvious about this application.